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13 October 2010 @ 04:09 am
SPN fic: Mine First  
Yeah...I don't even know.

So, I wanted to write a s6 wincest fic, then it turned out that wincest wouldn't really work, so this came out instead. Basically, Sam wants to resume their previous sexual relationship but Dean doesn't.

It's probably going to come across like I think Sam's a douchebag. Heh... Okay, so I do, but I swear the fic wasn't written with that in mind. I was trying to take how I see their personalities in s6, and then just add a sexual dimension in (because I just can't resist!) So, if Sam seems like he's all entitled when it comes to fucking Dean, that's because I believe he's acted like that in terms of getting Dean back into hunting.

Also, astonishingly (!), I've tried to explore Sam's perspective. Because I do want to understand him, and I do want to stop being mad with him!

All that being said, Sam's still gonna come across as a douchebag. Sorry. Hey, blame the show, not me... :P

Jesus, what a load of babbling. I hope for your sake that you skipped right ahead to the fake cut!!!!



Mine First
 
 
Dean stilled as Sam walked up close behind him, back muscles tensing almost painfully as his personal space was invaded. He’d nearly forgotten just how much room Sam could take up, how surrounded he could feel.
 
He closed his eyes as his brother nudged from uncomfortable to inappropriate, chest brushing shoulder blades and hips close enough for Dean to feel the heat.
 
“You’ve got to be fuckin’ kidding me.”
 
“What?” asked Sam evenly, not backing away in spite of the waves of tension he could feel emanating from Dean.
 
“Did you think I was just gonna fall back into your bed?”
 
“Doesn’t have to be a bed,” replied Sam, but the joke fell flat. Mostly because Dean was pretty sure that he was serious. He wondered just how his brother had become so entitled, and figured that it was probably his fault for always giving into him. Just like when he walked out of Lisa’s house and returned to the hunting life.
 
Dean sighed and turned around, crossing his arms over his chest and staring flatly at Sam until his brother took a reluctant half-step backwards.
 
“You leave me in misery for a year, supposedly for my own good. Then decide that actually you want me back, so you drag me into hunting again, forcing me to work with these assholes you keep calling “family”. And to top it off, you want me to cheat on Lisa? Fuck, you’re a piece of work.”
 
Sam looked incredulous for a moment, then shook his head, bitterly amused. “Is that what you’re calling it? Cheating? You say that like you weren’t mine first.”
 
“Yeah, and you made me promise to move on. I know that you’ve changed your mind all of a sudden, but I’m pretty much done pandering to your whims, little brother.”
 
“You’re not a whim, Dean. I never stopped wanting you,” argued Sam, looking intently at his brother. Still so fucking beautiful, and it burned that he was acting like he belonged to someone else. Sure, Sam had forced himself to back off for the year and leave Dean to his new life, but he’d had to fight his instincts and desires every step of the way. And now he was just done. Dean had proven that Sam was more important to him than the whole white picket fence gig the second he’d dragged the tarp off the Impala. Hell, the second he’d woken up and assumed he was in Heaven because Sam was there.
 
And it was damned lucky that Lisa was a smart girl and had let him return to Sam without a fight. Otherwise things might have become unpleasant.
 
“And I know you want me too.”
 
Dean shook his head. “Sam, I love you; that’s never gonna change, no matter what you do. But I don’t think you have any idea how much I dislike you right now. I don’t want to be close to you, I don’t even really wanna talk to you, and I sure as hell don’t want to fuck you. So, back off.”
 
Sam barely restrained himself from rolling his eyes; Dean had always been a bit of a drama queen, now that he thought about it; he overreacted to everything he saw as a rejection, just like when Sam had gone to Stanford. It wasn’t that Sam didn’t get why Dean was upset: he did. He just didn’t see why he couldn’t get the hell over it already. Shit happened.
 
And it wasn’t like Dean wouldn’t be hard and panting for it within seconds, if he actually let Sam get close enough to touch, which was probably why he was being so defensive.
 
“No.”
 
“Excuse me?” Dean asked incredulously, raising his eyebrows.
 
“I said no. I’m not gonna back off. ‘Cause you know what? I’m done pandering to you too. In case you hadn’t noticed, I’m not really little Sammy anymore, and I’m not gonna let you start bossing me around again.”
 
Dean stared at his brother. His huge, marble statue of a brother. Sam didn’t seem angry, just coolly certain of himself and completely intractable. It didn’t make Dean nervous, but it did throw him off balance, and he realised in a blinding flash that he just didn’t know this version of Sam. He had absolutely no idea how he was going to react to any situation.
 
“No? No, you’re not going to respect my boundaries?” clarified Dean, almost cringing when the words came out of his mouth. Fuck, had he really turned into a suburban, middle class douchebag? He plowed on nevertheless. “So, what? Huh, Sam? You gonna force me? Bit ballsy to do it right here in Camp Campbell. Unless of course you’ve told them all about you and me? Guess you might have slipped it in there when you were spilling all my secrets about Hell.”
 
“It wasn’t like that,” cut in Sam with a sigh. He was still mad with Christian for mentioning the torture to Dean and basically attacking him with it; he’d described it in a different context, trying to convey just what Dean had suffered. But he was still aware that it hadn’t been his tale to tell. “And no, of course I’m not going to force you.”
 
Even though I could, he didn’t add, although they both knew it anyway. Dean might have been a match for Sam a year ago, and he probably would be again, but at the moment he wasn’t. Especially not right now, weighed down by his tortured emotions. 
 
“But, Dean...I don’t want this to be grudge-fucking. But if that’s all I can get, I’ll take it.”
 
“Jesus Christ, are you even listening to me? There’s not gonna be any fucking! Though there’s sure as hell gonna be a grudge if you don’t let this go.”
 
Sam shook his head dismissively, suddenly stepping up close to Dean, crowding him back against the table. “You know it’ll happen, one way or the other. Why don’t you stop wasting our time?”
 
Dean practically growled, his voice rumbling in his throat. “Get the fuck away from me.”
 
“You know, I’ve been paying whores this last year?” said Sam conversationally, completely ignoring him. “Yeah, despite everything I ever said about it. You know why I do that? Because even one-night hook-ups want something from me – either affection or at least a back-story, some kind of normal human display of emotion. But I can’t give that to anyone else, not anymore. I don’t even want to.”
 
“So, what are you saying? I’m convenient because you don’t have to snuggle afterwards? Nice, Sam.”
 
“No, Dean,” replied Sam patiently, as if explaining something to a simpleton. “I’m saying that you’re the only thing left I care about. I can’t even be bothered to pretend with other people.”
 
Dean didn’t know how to respond; something was so broken inside his brother. And, in all honesty, he wasn’t sure that he was up to the job of fixing him. He wasn’t exactly a poster child for stability and well-adjustedness himself, no matter how hard he’d tried with Lisa and Ben, and he hadn’t recovered from the fact that he’d spent a year in grief and agony. A year that, as it turned out, he could have been spared by the people he loved the most. But no: Sam and Bobby – and, hell, even Cas – had left him to his suffering. And, yeah, he could admit it: he resented the hell out of them for it.
 
Sam wished now that he’d made a move on Dean right after their reunion; at that point, he’d been so shell-shocked and grateful that he’d have just blindly done whatever Sam wanted. But he’d had time to process, and get angry, and he was too damned stubborn to just give in, even if he wanted to. And Sam just didn’t have the patience for his bullshit.
 
Sam pushed himself tight to Dean, levering a leg in between his thighs and leaving it so that he had no choice but to sit his ass down on the table. He snatched his brother’s wrists as he raised his hands warningly, ready to give a hefty shove. Pressing close, lips ghosting over Dean’s pulse point as he defiantly turned his head away, Sam felt the warmth of the other man seep into his bones. His own cock stirred, lust ignited by the feel and smell and sight of Dean, and he nudged the growing arousal against Dean’s own crotch.
 
Dean was practically vibrating out of his own skin, hot and cold racing confusingly through his body and his spine crawling. His fists were clenching, but he didn’t want to hurt Sam if he didn’t have to, so instead of lashing out he whispered fiercely, “I don’t want this.”
 
“Yeah. You do.”
 
Frustrated, enraged, not so far from horny that he couldn’t feel blood flowing south, Dean wrestled his hands free and lashed out, sending Sam stumbling back. When his brother appeared determined to return, he held up his hand, glaring threateningly. “You keep your goddamned distance. I told you no, and I meant it. What the fuck is wrong with you, Sam? What happened to you in Hell that makes you think this is okay?”
 
Sam rolled his eyes disdainfully. “Are you still stuck on Hell? God, Dean, how many times to I have to tell you that I’m over it?”
 
Incensed yet again by the implication that Dean was making some huge drama about his thirty fucking years of continual torment – followed by a ten years that had been incomparably worse in the ways that mattered – Dean muttered, “Yeah, maybe ‘cause you actually spent about five fuckin’ minutes down there.”
 
“What did you say?” asked Sam, voice dropping to an altogether more dangerous register. He looked on the verge of being furious, but also wryly amused, his face horribly reminiscent of Lucifer for one terrifying second.
 
“You heard me. I spent a year torturing myself about what you must be going through, but...you weren’t, were you? You came back almost straight away, so maybe it is just a little easier for you to get over your time in the Pit.”
 
Dean flinched back reflexively as Sam was suddenly all up in his face, unexpectedly intent and barely concealing his wrath. “You have no idea what happened to me in that damned cage, so shut the fuck up. I was trapped with two of the most powerful, vengeful beings ever created – and I wasn’t exactly high on their Christmas list. Don’t assume that I had it easy just because I don’t want to spend my time crying about it.”
 
Although he felt a flash of guilt, Dean couldn’t just let it go. This was the closest Sam had come to talking about Hell, and Dean didn’t want to let the opportunity pass him by. “Did they offer you a deal, Sammy?”
 
“What?”
 
“Every day Alistair asked me to pick up the knife. And yeah, I was weak, and eventually I said yes. Not like Dad; he never broke. But what about you? ‘Cause you know what, little brother? With the way you’re acting right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’d got yourself off that rack the first damned day. What’s a little torture, if it gets you easier time? I mean, they’re damned souls and they probably deserve it. Right?”
 
Sam’s face was inscrutable, corner of his mouth just tugging up in a mean little smile. “Is that what you think?”
 
Dean shrugged. “I don’t know. Why don’t you set me straight?”
 
Sam smiled a little broader then. “Why? Because I don’t really care what you believe. But since you’re so curious, there was no rack. No offer. It was called Lucifer’s cage for a reason, genius. Just me, the Devil and a pissed off Archangel, all dressed up and nowhere to go. Good times.”
 
Dean nodded slowly, not really any the wiser and perhaps even more uneasy than he’d been before.  “Okay. Sorry.”
 
“That’s okay; I know a great way you can make it up to me,” replied Sam, tone changing to lascivious so abruptly that Dean felt entirely off-balance once again.
 
Opening his mouth to speak, Dean let out a surprised shout instead when Sam grabbed hold of him with big, hard hands and dragged him close again.
 
“So, now that we’ve shared our feelings or whatever, are you gonna stop being a cock-tease and put out?” purred Sam, rutting his hips twice against Dean’s.
 
Gritting his teeth, Dean managed to slide his arm up between them and shove Sam away, the movement hard and unforgiving. “Answer’s still the same, asshole. That side of us is done.”
 
Dean watched Sam’s jaw tick angrily, eyes dark and full of fire. He saw his brother’s fists clench once and for just a split-second, he truly thought that Sam was going to fuck him anyway. He wondered what it would be like to be pinned down on the table, trying to fight while staying as quiet as possible. How he would feel if one of the cousins heard the commotion and came to investigate. He flushed with imagined shame as he tried to picture their reaction. Would they even be surprised, considering what a little bitch they seemed to think he was? Would they want to watch?
 
The awful moment was broken as Sam’s face suddenly cleared, becoming almost eerily blank and unconcerned. He stepped back, shrugging.
 
“Fine. You do what you gotta do.”
 
Dean was so astonished at the abrupt change that he didn’t even react when Sam leaned in and pressed a hard, closed-mouthed kiss to his lips, fingers pressing bruises into his jaw. He shook his head when Sam finally released him and turned away, stating that he was going to bed.
 
What the fuck?
 
Shivering slightly, feeling uncomfortable in his own skin, Dean retreated to the Impala to sleep. He had no inclination to share a roof with any of the assholes in the Campbell compound, including his brother, and the car was the only place that he felt at home.
 
Once he was there, he huddled down in the front seat, pulling his coat tight around him for warmth. He didn’t want to lie in the back; it reminded him of when he and Sam had been partners, when they’d trusted each other with everything. When he would have willingly given his body, and taken Sam’s in return.
 
But he didn’t want to think about that now. He couldn’t even imagine being intimate with Sam as things currently stood, and there was no goddamned way that he’d submit to his brother, not while he couldn’t find it in him to trust him the whole way. Besides, now he had Lisa. And how he missed the warm comfort of her arms, the way that she’d yield to him and give everything of herself openly and honestly.
 
He got a little hard as he thought about being in their bed together, but he ignored it. He wasn’t in the mood for sexual gratification after the tense scene with Sam, and he also didn’t want to run the risk that rogue thoughts of his brother would pop into his mind. They’d been good together once.
 
But, even discounting Lisa (as Sam seemed determined to do), Dean just didn’t think they could be again. There was too much deep, dark water under the bridge and Dean had a nasty feeling that they were going to have enough trouble being brothers again, let alone anything else.
 
Sighing, he let his head fall against the window and tried to find sleep, wishing for a soft bed and peace of mind.
 

<o>

 
Sam headed for the small bedroom that he usually used when he was visiting the compound. It was fucking irritating to be walking away when his cock was still demanding to be stuffed deep inside his brother’s ass, but he knew that it was just a matter of time. All he needed to do was back off and let Dean have his little tantrum, and he’d soon get over it and come slinking back with his tail between his legs.
 
Hadn’t he already proven that by insisting that he was done with hunting, only to turn up a few days later?
 
Sam would give him a little space and he’d soon come running. Because Sam knew for a fact that he couldn’t be satisfied with Lisa, not after the shameful level of depravity that he’d been used to for a good chunk of his adult life. Vanilla had never been Dean’s flavour of choice.
 
The bed protested as Sam threw himself down on it, his weight making the springs shriek. He heard Dean go outside and knew that he’d be hiding out in the Impala; he was so predictable that it was almost adorable. The ghost of a fond smile touched Sam’s face before it was wiped clean by the infuriating memory of Dean offering him the car. She should be hunting; take her.
 
Bastard. Giving up the Impala was tantamount to throwing Sam himself away, far worse than dropping his amulet in the trash. So Sam hadn’t let him.
 
Besides, he’d known that his brother would be needing the car sooner rather than later. Had he really thought that he could bow out of the game? When Sam wanted him back? Oh, Dean.
 
Sam flicked open the button of his jeans and tugged his dick free, squeezing himself tight and circling the head. He thought of Dean as he jerked off, imagined fucking him right there in the Impala, cornered in the back seat with nowhere to go. He’d protest at first, but soon he’d be surrendering, spreading his legs and begging for it shamelessly, like the good little slut he’d learned to be. He’d be so desperate, a year’s worth of frustration just waiting to be pounded out of him.
 
Sam grunted as he fucked his fist, pissed that he was still servicing himself even though his brother was back, and his anger just turned him on more. When Dean got with the program, Sam was gonna fuck him so hard and make him feel so good that he was going to fucking cry.
 
With a muffled cry, Sam came all over his belly and shirt, wiping his slick fist on his clothes as he swiftly came down off his orgasm high. It was going to be so much better when he could just pump Dean full.
 
Still, if he needed a little more time to sulk and be afraid and to kid himself that Lisa was anything more than an impossible fantasy, then Sam would give him that. He’d come around soon enough.
 
Because he always did. For Sam.
 
 
 
THE END

 
 
Current Mood: Awkward
 
 
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rockstarpeach: Douchebag[info]rockstarpeach on October 13th, 2010 03:18 am (UTC)
Sam is a douchebag. And completely delusional.

And Dean's a girl. Naw, they were partners! That's adorable!

And I still hate this, except for the part where I love it :)
ash_carpenter: SPN Sam Winchester is a douchebag[info]ash_carpenter on October 13th, 2010 03:11 pm (UTC)
Shut up. You're the girl! Girl. :P

Of course Sam's a douchebag! We all hate Sam! Man, I don't know why we even write wincest... ;-)
tifaching[info]tifaching on October 13th, 2010 03:29 am (UTC)
Sam has a perspective? Okay, I guess he does, but it's a douchey perspective. It's rough when I prefer Dean/Lisa to Dean/Sam, but there you go. This season it's noncest. So far anyway.
(Anonymous) on October 13th, 2010 04:06 am (UTC)
Lol anyone who reads Dean/Castiel is going to hate Sam whenever he makes even the teeniest "mistake" re: Dean. Funny how all these fans had all this compassion for Dean when he came back from Hell (*cough* after a deal made out of pure selfishness *cough*) but now there is none for Sam. I'd write a meta about how Sam-hate is directly tied into the disgusting misogyny this show has displayed that so many female fans have embraced, but fans would just use it as an excuse to talk about Dean. You all make me sick.
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(Anonymous) on October 13th, 2010 04:04 am (UTC)
Lol someone totally just trolled you on a com :/ for what it's worth though I don't get why you write Wincest either. Why don't you just admit that you like Dean and think that Sam is scum (which you pretty much have, lol) and just drop the pairing altogether? Then you can stop "trying to see things from Sam's POV" (which BTW you're obviously not interested in doing) and start writing Dean/Castiel and Dean/Lisa and Dean/all these other perfect flawless people who are So Much Better Than Sam. And then people who actually like Wincest, which despite the best efforts of Deangirls everywhere DOES INVOLVE SAM and Dean loving Sam with all of his flaws, god forbid (remember the parts of the show where Dean isn't perfect?) can read it without having to deal with the constant Dean-bias and Sam-bashing that so much wincest has anymore, and everyone's happy.
ash_carpenter: SPN Sam [info]ash_carpenter on October 13th, 2010 04:14 am (UTC)
Oh, I see yet another person who's so strong in their convictions that they diss and run while hiding behind anonymous status...Oh, you make the fandom proud! ;-)

I love Dean. I'm trying my best to still love Sam like I used to. That's why I still write wincest; because I don't support any other pairings.

It's amusing to me how "Sam girls" (and, really, isn't it mature that we're supposed to label ourselves like that and pick one camp and stick our tongues out at the other?) like to blame "Dean girls" for twisting the show up and making Sam seem like a douche. Honey, he really doesn't need the help right now...!

I warned that Sam didn't come off well in the fic. Don't like, don't read. It's not too difficult a concept for you, is it? You figured out how to turn on anon commenting, so I'm assuming you can't be quite as dim as you seem... ;-)
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cookiemom6067[info]cookiemom6067 on October 13th, 2010 05:04 am (UTC)
Ouch.

I feel really guilty for wanting to know what happens next.
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 13th, 2010 03:22 pm (UTC)
Aw, don't feel guilty! Everyone likes to watch a slow motion car crash once in a while... ;-)

Thank you!
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eris_raine[info]eris_raine on October 13th, 2010 05:53 am (UTC)
I don't normally read wincest but I wanted to give this a try. I was curious to see how Sam came out when you wrote him. I'm not overly fond of the anonymous person's comments, they were way out of line. Speaking as a Dean/Cas girl - I don't hate Sam - I'm just not fond of how he's behaving. There is a difference. I'm actually curious to see what happened to him and to find out why he is the way he is now. In fact my main complaint with this season is the campbells *L* Very well written, hon :-)
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 13th, 2010 03:24 pm (UTC)
Well thank you for giving it a try! I don't hate Sam at all; I wouldn't be so upset with how he's acting if I didn't love him and didn't want him and Dean to be happy (I don't mean in a wincest-y way, since the show short-sightedly doesn't support that :P).

Yeah, the Campbells are dicks! Maybe they've infected Sam...? ;-)
Captain Nommers of the Tastypants Brigade: sam - sadface (closeup with cuts)[info]secondplatypus on October 13th, 2010 06:11 am (UTC)
Oh, boys. Poor, poor broken boys.

The thing that makes me so sad about Season 6 so far is the complete lack of affection and love between the brothers. Whether extrapolated into a sexual context or just taken for what it's shown to be, one of Supernatural's only constants throughout everything has been the bond between Sam and Dean.

As both a lover of the Show and a dabbler in Wincest, the dynamic between them in s6 is incredibly frustrating. Even at their worst moments in s5 (which I thought was as far as the angst-train would go), there was still a closeness and a raw vulnerability there that could be worked with.
Now, though, it's just... flat.

I'm so curious to find out what exactly it was that happened to Sam in the cage.

but I digress. This was a beautifully written, heartwrenching, and interesting character study. As a longtime Sam girl, I'm more inclined to be a little lenient with him, considering all the things he probably went through in the cage, but there's no denying the selfishness and coldness you pointed out here - especially in the case of him letting his brother, the person who raised him, loved him, and went to Hell for him, believe that he was dead for a year - and it was perfectly in character.
The moment where he showed emotion broke me a little.

Fantastic work, as always.
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 13th, 2010 03:29 pm (UTC)
You're right - things between them right now are flat. Sam's affection for Dean seems to be occasionally portrayed - but as odd moments of condescending 'oh, isn't he cute?' fondness. It's weird. And Dean seems to be too wary to be showing any affection at all, except for by his return to hunting.

The thing is, I'm sure Sam suffered horribly in the cage. But Dean suffered in Hell too - and he suffered when he thought Sam was there. But it hasn't made him inhuman. He had his moments towards the end of s5, but he let Sam pull him back. Sam doesn't seem interested in letting Dean help him.

I hope that we get to break through Sam's shell soon, because I'll never doubt that he loves Dean. I just want to see it!

Thank you.
Kevin Jones[info]mulder200 on October 13th, 2010 06:34 am (UTC)
You know the more I think about it, Sam has always been selfish and self-absorbed. It's just always just been balanced by his good points. This time, the good points are gone and all that's left is bad.

ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 13th, 2010 03:30 pm (UTC)
That's true; I think his humanity has suffered horribly (perhaps we'll be given a good reason as to why), and therefore his less-than-stellar qualities are quite starkly revealed.

Let's hope some balance get restored! Thank you.
Sabrina[info]slf630 on October 13th, 2010 06:54 am (UTC)
Oh my God! How much do I love you right now? This was just sooo good. And it can't be helped if Sam comes off as a gigantic douche; canon has made him that way.*shrugs* I just pray that show fixes him soon. I miss my sweet Sammy. :( Seriously though, this was brilliant and fit so well with canon. Loved that you brought up the paying for whores thing.*gigglesnort* That was AWESOME!
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 12:27 am (UTC)
Aw, thank you so much! I'm really glad that you enjoyed it. I'm not trying to attack Sam - I can't help it if I see him as a bit of a douche at the moment!!! :D
Sabrina[info]slf630 on October 13th, 2010 07:08 am (UTC)
Ok sorry about this but I posted my comment before I read the others and I just can't keep my big mouth shut on this subject. I am not a Sam/girl or a Dean/girl. I love both boys equally, always have. They both have their strengths and faults. But CANON has now made Sam kinda douchey. Maybe we'll get a little insight into as the season progresses, which I really hope. My biggest *issue* with Sam is the whole waiting a year thing. I'm not gonna use this post to spell out all the reasons that was wrong- we all already no it. But I will just say that if you have a problem with the show- don't watch. If you have a problem with a pairing- don't read. Simple as that. *shrugs* I loved this ash. Some people are just asses.
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 12:29 am (UTC)
Thank you!!! I love both the boys too! I don't see why everyone's getting in such a tiz about everything! Probably, some things about Sam will be explained - but until then, why can't I think that he's acting like a bit of a douche...?

*hugs*
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trichinopoly ash: sam: hot jackass[info]aldehyde on October 13th, 2010 08:12 am (UTC)
i'd been looking for something angsty and creepy and this filled both categories perfectly. ugh i don't want to be angry at sam, but lucy sure did a number on him in that cage :/ i think you captured the weird vibes he's been giving off perfectly, and i also liked the way you characterised dean. good stuff :D
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 12:43 am (UTC)
Thank you! I do like angsty and creepy...and, being the psycho I am, I like it best when our boys are involved! I was just saying it as I see it with Sam, not casting judgement, but hey! People do like to get a little heated... ;-)
fannishliss: Sam-in-a-Cage![info]fannishliss on October 13th, 2010 10:27 am (UTC)
I think your story is great but I am still more sympathetic to Sam than this. It's very interesting to me to see what I think of as a "dark Sam" type of AU story, but you're basing it on your interpretation of canon. That's perfectly valid tho!

the way I've taken s6 so far, Sam is desperate to have Dean back beside him because Dean's presence ameliorates whatever is going on inside Sam to make his responses so cold. Sam's abandonment of Dean for the year follows from this dulled down state of his emotions. For the flip side of your story, see britomart_is. Your story and hers really work together like two sides of a coin in terms of interpretation of Sam.

so to me, this is a great "dark" take on how Sam is acting, but it's not my canon yet! :P

I'm glad I read this-- thanks for posting.

btw I'm a Dean-girl :D
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 12:51 am (UTC)
Thank you for reading and your comments! I really like dark!Sam in AU situations too, but I've been rather dismayed by his coldness thus far this season. And his attitude with the Cambells vs Dean, and a hundred other things. I do believe there could be valid reasons (such as the one you suggest) for his behaviour, but right now I'm still wary. And all fiction is necessarily a timestamp of sorts; I will be happy to be proven wrong about this in future episodes!

(Plus, this is necessarily an exagerration of what I see in canon - er, particularly with the sex and all!)
erivar[info]erivar on October 13th, 2010 12:04 pm (UTC)
From the looks of the comments, things seem to have gotten a bit heated. Wow!

First of all, i have to say, you managed to write such a unique fic. Frankly, i don't know what you were worried about. I didn't see the need for the warning at all. I personally didn't think Sam came off as a douche. Merely the product of his sad life and bad luck that seems to follow him around since before birth. I love both brothers to death and don't much for either by themselves. Not that i don't think they're wonderful characters individually because they freaking are. What i enjoy the most about them is how those differences and personality interact with each other and the ties that bind the two souls. They are downright imperfect and perfect beings at the same time. I genuinely see through both their eyes and it actually makes my heart heavy. Your fic brought up some of the things that make me sad. I'm not really a wincester, but i do like to read some to understand the perspectives of others about the boys.

I think the problem with the brothers relationship started from when Dean sold his soul and brought Sam back. There is a parallel here that i feel some people aren't getting at all. Dean never got to really live a decent amount of time away from Sam when Sam died the first time. He got Sam back and Sam felt like he was never away. So they picked up from where they left off. But come Mystery Spot, Dean was dead for six months and Sam felt every second. It altered him even though it was the Trickster's mind games. Then comes the reality and Dean dies and Sam tries to bring him back but in the end was unsuccessful and i bet even though he had still hoped by some miracle that he would one day get Dean back, he had started moving on the way he could. Revenge. He also took control of everything. He was the boss and he installed an I-pod jack in the Impala.
Then Dean comes back months later and expects nothing to have changed, especially Sam. He wanted them to fall back into their designated roles with each other but that was impossible. Sam has already moved on and could never revert back to that little brother that followed what Dean wanted. The last time he did that was listening to Dean's wish of him not working with Ruby to find a way to stop him from going to hell. Sam listened even though he didn't want too. The fact that his last compliance to Dean ended in loosing Dean, his psyche for sure no longer wanted to do that. And the fact that they weren't playing their roles determined by their past and birth place put a strain on their relationship. Dean refused to see the changes that had happened. Sam had become his own man. Dean couldn't be in charge anymore because Sam has taken over his own life and Sam failed to realize Dean had changed to while all the same needed that Sam to fulfill that role for him.(another story altogether)
Come season 6. Dean mourned the loss of his brother but kept his promise. Even he didn't know that he was actively moving on until Sam returned to him a year later. His mind had too or else crumble under the heavy emotion that caused him to make that deal in season 2 or caused Sam to make all the stupid mistakes of season 4. So now i return to your fic. Sam expects Dean to carry on from where they left off. It is physically impossible because the parallel here is that both brothers have moved on from that relationship. I'm sure Sam intended to leave Dean forever in his apple pie life but circumstances caused him to meet up with Dean and once that happened, he can't stay away. For him, once he returned from hell, he never moved on like Dean because he knew where his brother was. But Dean did and he can't just turn himself back. Now Dean is in the place Sam was in season 4.
erivar[info]erivar on October 13th, 2010 12:05 pm (UTC)
Dean cannot just fall back into the role Sam wants just because Sam is back. And Sam is failing to understand this just like Dean in season 4. And this Dean is also failing to see how to Sam, there is a difference in perception that is caused by the fact that he never mourned and had the chance to move on like he did like Sam was in season 4 basically. And they keep mirroring each other to the last detail. It's kind of pathetic. They are in this tug of war but for some reason can't stay away from each other. They keep circling because they compel each other.

So there is what your fic unearthed. The dangerous and very damaging consequences of the fact that the brothers keep loosing each other and getting each other back. If Sam had gone straight to Dean the moment he had returned, Dean would have said Adios to Lisa and Ben and they would have been off and continued from where they left off but there is no drama in that now is there. I feel extremely sorry for Sam being in the time warp that he is and Dean for being in the painful place he is. I felt the same for them in season 4 but the reasons were reversed. I just want them to find their equilibrium and stop the cycle.

p.s: sorry for the long ramble. Blame your lovely more meta than fanfic.
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quiche1206: Dean and Sam[info]quiche1206 on October 13th, 2010 01:26 pm (UTC)
Okay it's way too early for a discourse. Read the comments because I was curious and wow, I'd rather stick to just praising your insight into Sam and Dean's current situation. I'm not a one or the other kind of gal-I'll take them both! Loved this as much as I hated too. Meaning you stirred the emotions for both of them up, caused me to feel both sides of this piece and see beyond the douchebag to Sam wanting things to be the same with Dean. All in all, I think thats the job of a writer-make you "feel" not just read. And honey you did good. Lets hope the boys can get some of that loving feeling back!
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 01:47 am (UTC)
Thank you so much! I don't think I was really expecting this level of pseudo-meta when I wrote the fic...!

Then again, as you say, my only job is to make people emote, and I'm happy that I achieved that!
darthnikki[info]darthnikki on October 13th, 2010 01:46 pm (UTC)
God Sam you really are a complete and utter twat aren't you?!! Ugh I ant even seen any of season 6 yet and I wanna bitch slap him with a wet fish!!

He's just so....so....so fucking all about him still!!! my hell was worse, I was with Lucifer and Michael...wah wah wah...shut up dick face!!! **takes deep breath** as you can probably tell I'm having a little trouble feeling sympathy for the douche at the minute!! are you going to write more?
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 01:49 am (UTC)
Ha ha ha ha!!!! LMFAO!

This comment is a little different to some I received on this fic... ;-)

I too am having trouble getting past my anger to feel sympathy! I will certainly be writing more fic as the season progresses, although I'm not sure whether I'll continue this one. (Especially if I don't want people in fandom to virtually incinerate me...)!!!!

Thank you so much!
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borgmama1of5[info]borgmama1of5 on October 13th, 2010 03:56 pm (UTC)
I think erivar explained things very well.

I don't see this as Sam being a douche because I don't believe Sam is all there. I wish the fans hating Sam right now would wait and see why he is so cold, not just assume that he's being a jerk for no reason. It saddens me that he is not getting any benefit of the doubt.

That said, your story is scary great. And I'm not a wincester.
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 01:53 am (UTC)
Yes, her comment was very insightful!

The thing is, I don't think that we should be completely checking our anger. I mean, I fully appreciate that there may (and probably will) be huge extenuating circumstances. That doesn't mean that the show doesn't pull a visceral reaction from me - and that's one of the things I love about it.

I don't hate Sam, but I'm upset with him. And believe me, I want to be proven wrong!

Thanks very much!
annie46[info]annie46 on October 13th, 2010 04:22 pm (UTC)
I'm a Sam girl
And I won't be anonymous for this!!

I think that people (and writers and fans) find it really hard to understand Sam. He is a very complex character but he certainly isn't a douche or selfish but very, very misunderstood.

Sam wanted a normal life - selfish - don't think so - don't we all just want a nice, normal existance where all things go right.

Sam wanted to get away from his family - selfish - nope - we all need our own space particularly when are family are overpowering and think that THEY are right.

Sam has a dark side - yep - agree that having demon blood dripped into your mouth will affect you. Sam didn't always make the right decisions but he did always think he was doing the right thing. That doesn't make him anything more than naive.

Sam was selfish and awful to Dean when Dean came back from hell. No - he thought that by doing what Ruby wanted he was doing the right thing. The thing he did wrong was hide it from Dean and lie about it. Ok Dean didn't take it well and who can blame him? But if Sam had been honest they may have been able to do something about it.

Sam lies and can't be trusted - yep - he does but only to protect Dean (or so he thinks). Sam is a deep thinker whilst Dean is a doer and they will clash.

So - at the end of the day I liked your story but think that you need to look at Sammy more closely. It is possible to get into his head space you know!! He is a great character, complex yet needy and loving, affectionate and deep.

I don't hate Dean btw - I have written loads of stories from both boys points of view - so - I think it is possible to understand both brothers if you give them a chance!!
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 13th, 2010 10:38 pm (UTC)
Re: I'm a Sam girl
You'll pardon me for saying so but I am EXTREMELY offended that you would come onto my journal and accuse me of not understanding Sam. You can feel free to step off your pedestal at any point.

I fully understand all the points you raise - agree with some, don't agree with others, and I have never once accused Sam of being selfish for wanting a normal life - and various other issues you raise.

So it is with full understanding, and a deep love for Sam, that I can objectively conclude that he is being rather an ass this season.

Perhaps you need to examine the difference between "understanding" and "opinion"...?

The problem with people who feel the need to identify themselves as "Sam girls" or "Dean girls" - and I have no interest in pigeon-holing myself that way - is that they think that means they have to defend every single action of their chosen character. Even great people (read both Dean and Sam here) can be dicks sometimes, and I don't see what the problem with accepting that is.
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Kate[info]kaiidee23 on October 13th, 2010 07:47 pm (UTC)
Oh my god.

The thing is, when I read this fic, I was thinking oh wow, this is a great fic and it gives a side I never really thought about. So I go to write a comment and what do I find? All these anon!cunts acting like people care about their opinion.

I mean, I'm actually a Samgirl but even I can admit that he's been a douchebag recently. I mean for fucks sake. Why do people always have to start all this shit and troll people's journals? IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT LEAVE. Why waste everyone's by posting this crap?
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 01:59 am (UTC)
Ha ha ha! Thank you so much. I'm glad both that you enjoyed the fic and that you have much the same opinion of these trolls as me!

lylithj2: pic#104973297[info]lylithj2 on October 13th, 2010 08:14 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed this fic, bb!
I thought you did an excellent job of combining canon with wincest and creating a story that left me hurting and wanting more.

Me, I love a dark Sam. The meaner or crazier he is, the more I love him! In fact, I didn’t really pay too much attention to him until Mystery Spot when he went nuts trying to save Dean.

I think both brothers have major flaws and work within those issues while still trying to do good work. That’s what makes it so interesting for me. If they were perfect, I’d stopped watching it a while ago. *ok, I’m lying there. ‘Cause the J’s are hot and I’d pay to watch them read the phonebook.

Loved it and thanks so much for sharing!
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 02:01 am (UTC)
Thank you darling! Of course you want more; Sam's being dark and Dean looks like he's in danger of getting hurt... ;-)

HA! Yes, the prettiness is entertaining...However, perfect!boys would get pretty damned boring after a while!

*hugs*
kasmodia: Sam does not approve[info]kasmodia on October 13th, 2010 09:11 pm (UTC)
First and foremost: awesome fic. Like always. Loved the insight and the emotional rawness and intensity the show's currently lacking.

Moreover I'm always and again amazed how passionate (though not always in a good way, obviously) some fans become when it comes to the characters of a - beloved, sure - tv show, like Sam and Dean were actual people instead of a deliciously fucked up figment brought to live by ridiculously pretty people. Huh. Leaves me flabbergasted every time.

I like Sam. Always did. Apart from the obvious reasons (perving over this absurdly perfect body), with Sam it's all about the good intentions. His lies are crispy white and his selfhisness is, well, decidedly more healthy than Dean's over-eagerness to sacrifice himself (I like Dean, too, btw - nobody cries that prettily). It may or may not be a question of being able to relate but to be honest, I never got what the whole Sam critique is about. Would I have told Dean that I drank demon blood and fucked a demon, thinking that it was something that could help saving innocent people but knowing that he wouldn't understand? Fuck no! Sam's sin may be arrogance 'cause he sometimes tends to overestimate his own ability to handle things but then again, it's that trust in his own strength that let him face first John and then even Lucy plus ____ (enter every monster of the week we've seen so far here). *shrugs* I can understand Sam.

Just one thing. That car? No. Bad Sammy.

Now I've spammed your journal, too. Just imagine how delightfully heated this discussion could have been if you'd began your introduction in "rambling-tipsy-Ash-is-rambling-and-tipsy" mode! *sighs dramatically* Missed opportunities... ;-)
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 02:03 am (UTC)
Thank you darling! As always, I'm delighted to have your input.

I understand too! I actually haven't been particularly critical of him (and not more so than Dean) until this season, when his douchiness appears to be coming way out of left field. And, really, the car was unforgiveable... ;-)

Heh, this is one occasion where I'm quite glad that there wasn't any drunkenness involved! My comment replies to certain people were less than savoury as it was...!!!
elusive_life_77[info]elusive_life_77 on October 14th, 2010 12:33 am (UTC)
Good Grief. Some people's kids. *shakes head* Anyway...moving on.

I think you nailed Sam and his uber douche-ness of this season (all 3 eps of it). I do NOT like him so far. I don't like what he and Bobby decided was best for Dean either. So I think you got his POV quite well.

ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 02:05 am (UTC)
Heee!

Thank you so much! Exactly - SO FAR he's being a bit of an idiot, and I wrote the fic accordingly. I will be delighted if I can be proven wrong, although I'm struggling to come up with any acceptable explanation for Sam and Bobby keeping Dean in the dark...
(Anonymous) on October 14th, 2010 01:19 am (UTC)
Okay, I'm posting this anonymously because I am fairly new to the whole fandom thing and don't have a LJ account, NOT because I'm want to say something negative -- quite the opposite! Had to break my lurker silence and say how much I loved this.

I've also been puzzled by Season 6 (after having inhaled seasons four and five over the summer, not having watched the show in awhile). And I've been reading fics to console myself. I never written one before, but the occasional idea will flit through my head. I had this idea for a S6 fic in which Sam wants to start their sexual relationship again and Dean is like hellz no and Sam is upset but doesn't force it and they say some stuff that needs to be said...

And then...I saw this! It was like you had read my mind and transcribed it! And I'd previously read your anti-kink stories and loved them...it was like my perfect idea matched with perfect author!

I thought this was far from Sammy-bashing. In fact, it was surprisingly sympathetic to Sam's POV and provided some sympathetic explanations for some of his actions. It actually made me feel empathy for Sam, though still thinking that Dean is right to be mad. Especially when Sam says Dean was "his first" and that he can't be bothered to pretend with anyone else, I was even 'oh, Sam' for a second.
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 02:06 am (UTC)
Ha ha - well, I'll let you off for your anonymity! It's quite hard to be non-anon if you don't have an account... ;-)

I'm glad that you were thinking along the same lines and that you enjoyed the fic. Also, it's nice to see that someone caught the sympathy I was trying to inject in there! And thank you for saying that you've been enjoying the anti-kink!

Thanks for the comment!
a dealer who is through with dealing: moodswingers[info]loveme_likethat on October 14th, 2010 01:50 am (UTC)
You write season 6 Epic!Douchebag!Sam eerily well. He's so cold here, none of the fire of earlier seasons. Even his anger is glacial.

So of course I really, really want a sequel. Like Sam, we know Dean's gonna give, and I really want to be there when it happens.

Frightening & delicious all at once.
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 02:08 am (UTC)
Thank you so much! Yes, he is very cold; writing him like this is actually very different to usual. It's quite disconcerting!

You know, originally this was going to be a rape fic (because I'm self indulgent like that). The ironic thing is that if I'd done that (and therefore it had seemed more firmly in the AU category), I think people would have been less upset with it!

Oh, we all know Dean's gonna fold like a house of cards, baby...! ;-)
iddokae: not alone[info]iddokae on October 14th, 2010 03:37 am (UTC)
WOW! This was an amazing and original fic...just looking at all the comments - so much controversy and passion. Congrats to you on that.
I love the boys even if I hate the way they act. My prayer (are your listening Cas?) is that the show will fix them and give us some justifiable explanations.
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 05:11 am (UTC)
Well, thank you very much! I guess I should be happy that my fic can invite controversy...although I'm not sure I was expecting so much!

I agree completely - and I think that's a good kind of prayer. If only Cas wasn't so "rusty", maybe he'd answer it... ;-)

I really love your icon!
serendip50: naked asleep j2[info]serendip50 on October 14th, 2010 01:21 pm (UTC)
I loved it. Great interpretation and full of seething analysis.

Hot angry boys is so kinky, especially when Dean is on the receiving end. Really, it's just a shame Sam backed off....lol.

Entitled!Sam is sexy...such a lingering feel of endless possibilities right there. The hotness of the scene was powerful enough to stand on it's own without the natural progression of 'fucking', so that was superbly written.

I enjoyed the hell out of it. xx

PS Maybe this Season will inspire more evil!Sam fictions as a way to get wincest...So on board with that...lol

ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 03:37 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much!

Heh, you raise a very good point that I believe has been rather overlooked by all the passionate commentary on this fic: I just wanted some angry!Sam taking what he wanted! (I backed off from having Sam go all the way, because I knew he wouldn't do that, but now I wish I'd just gone for it and written a nasty rape story! Everyone would have left me alone then...!)

And the way Sam looks this season?! Man...I could REALLY go for some of him just throwing Dean down and taking him...*fans self*

Er, anyway. *cough* Kinda distracted for a moment there! Thank you so much, and I'm glad that the scene was hot for you! And thanks for reminded me why I wrote it in the first place! :D
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Wilde[info]jettle on October 14th, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
My turn!

I read the fic at work - mistake, didn't do much for the rest of the afternoon.

I like Sam like this but he is being a cock. It's hot. I like how cold he is this season because you know it's leading up to some huge revelation/meltdown.

I then read the comments. I appreciate the passion some of these anons have but Jesus, get a life. Trolling someone's fic because you disagree, boring. Don't bother reading.

Actually it inspired a rant of my own about fans - plus my two cents (which makes me a bit of a hypocrite for the ran in the first place) - I won't bore you with it but I will leave a link.

http://veerwilde.blogspot.com/2010/10/crazy-fans-supernatural.html

But yes, AMAZING fic.
Love
<3
ash_carpenter[info]ash_carpenter on October 14th, 2010 09:56 pm (UTC)
Reading fic at work is never a mistake! :D

You know, I like Sam being a cock too...Can't help it. It's hot!

And yeah, the response was...well. Unexpected! Although I don't know why I didn't expect it, given this fandom...! I'm now going to go on over and see your rant! I love rants, but I usually do them when I'm drunk. Which is, uh, a mistake, because I'm much more obnoxious! ;-)

Thank you so much!
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