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04 March 2012 @ 07:08 pm
Final rewatch post! (Thank God, I hear you cry...)  

Oh, BtVS...How I epically heart you.

So, I've torn right through season 7 as well. It's weird...for some reason this season seems shorter, even though it isn't. I guess in one way it feels like less happens because everything's kinda focussed on the big finale.

Will this make my comments shorter? One can only hope. I'm actually all mopey after a shameful sobbing session manly tear shedding during Spike's death scene, so I probably will be briefer than usual. And then pour myself a large whisky. Actually, maybe I'll do that the other way around...

- Yes, build the new high school back on the mouth of Hell. Excellent idea. Still, at least Xander got some contracting work from it. Ooh, and - much more importantly - the new principal is a giant hottie!!!!! Mmmm...loves me some Wood. Er...*cough*...I might consider rephrasing.

- (OMG, in one of the episodes with a big beastie Spike says something along the lines of "I'm just the one who beat him off...Repelled him would perhaps be the better phrase." Hee!!!!)

- Crazy basement Spike...How do I love thee and thy dark roots? Let me count the ways... :D

- 'Beneath' (the one where Anya turns some guy into a giant worm) is a favourite of mine. I really like the scene at The Bronze where Spike and Anya have a vicious fight (and also where the girl whose boyf Anya turned into the worm is all like, "is there anyone here who hasn't slept together?" - LOL, very shifty look from Spike and Xander), and also where Spike is really nasty to Buffy, basically taunting her about the attempted rape to deflect attention away from himself. The leaning on the cross scene at the end is rather epic.

- 'Same Time, Same Place' (where Willow and the gang can't see each other, because she's scared of going back to them and accidentally makes herself 'not there') is a pretty cool episode. I particularly love the scene where Spike's talking to both sides but they don't realise, what with him being not so much the poster boy for sanity.

- I find 'Help' a really fascinating episode - that's the one where there's a girl (Cassie) who knows that she's going to die and Buffy tries really hard to save her. And she DOES save her from the baddies - but unfortunately not from a heart attack. I like the reminder that everyone's powerless in the face of nature (er, ignoring Buffy's two trips back from the dead, obviously). Cassie was a wicked powerful psychic too - I liked her telling Spike that Buffy would say "it". There are quite a few tie-ins in this season.

- Speaking of tie-ins, my favourite one is when Dawn's home alone and gets pizza on one of Buffy's tops and is all like 'meh, she'll just think it's blood'. Later, when Buffy's preparing for a date with Robin Wood, Anya is trying to clean the 'blood' off that top and eventually decides that it might be pizza.

- So, Anya killed a few frat boys...pfft. Buffy seems awfully keen to kill her when most of her friends (and lovers) have a few kills under their belt...

- 'Him' is amusing (the one with the kid in the letterman jacket that makes girls go crazy for him). Favourite part is probably Spike and Xander effecting their 'complicated' plan of running up, grabbing the jacket and running away. I am amused that Buffy turns into an uberslut every time there's a love spell (like with Xander where she dressed in just the trench coat).

- Oh, and Mr. Xander "Incest? Not that sexy" Harris? When he sees Dawn all tarted up, his words are "Daddy likes". Been watching Supernatural after all, perhaps...? ;-)

- People always seem to really like 'Conversations with Dead People'. I have to say that it's a pretty 'meh' episode for me. It's also totally lame that Tara doesn't appear to Willow. I believe it was due to Amber Benson not being available; they should have picked someone else, like Warren, to appear to Willow. The whole Cassie thing didn't even make sense.

- I like 'Sleeper' mostly for the reason that I love seeing Spike being evil and drinking from people. Is that bad...?

- Still hate Andrew in the strongest possible terms. I get that he sort of starts to learn from his mistakes and really try to make a difference, particularly at the end (from 'Storyteller' onwards) but I just can't stand him.

- But do you know what makes me feel better? Shirtless Spike all banged up and tied up with leather restraints! \o/

- The Ubervamp thing doesn't make sense. Well, it makes sense to start with. But by the end, where - apparently - any old non-super-powered human being can just off one with no problem? Yeah, not so much.

- If you're going to have potentials who are supposedly English? Hire some who can speak with a fucking English accent or at least teach them how. UGH. I was glad when one of them died.

- Oh, and while you've got the dialect coach there, tell James Marsters that "bollocks" is not pronounced "bollix". Don't even get me started on "pouf".

- 'Potential' is the best Xander episode in the whole show in my opinion. His speech to Dawn at the end about what it means to be the person in the background and how extraordinary she is? Pretty awesome. I liked him better during this than any other time.

- While I'm (sort of) on the subject of potentials, I just need to have a mini-rant...This WHOLE season, Buffy keeps going on about how the girls basically have to wait for her to die before they get their power. Uh, no, Buffy. If YOU die, do you know what happens? NOTHING. Because Kendra already replaced you (and was then replaced by Faith). Faith has to die for another slayer to get chosen. That's why no new one appeared after Buffy died at the end of season 5. Fuckwit writers.

- I can see why Buffy had Spike's chip removed. But I can also see why everyone else is so wary about it. Being completely objective, Buffy is very reckless about Spike this season, and it's because she needs him as her support network. She just won't see that she actually is putting people in danger (because The First has Spike on a trigger for a while).

- Not that it excuses Wood and Giles conspiring to kill him. I suppose. Well, it doesn't excuse Giles - and he totally shouldn't have been so sneaky and dickish about it. Wood? Well, I get that. It doesn't matter how much Spike's changed, he killed the man's mother. I think Spike gets that. I mean, he knows better than anyone (except maybe Angel) that nothing can change the awful things he's done in his past, soul or not. 

- Sorry, I jumped a bit there. In the middle of that, Buffy went off to find out more about the source of her power (and OMG, that shadow puppet thing was wicked cool and creepy - as was the vision at the end of thousands of ubervamps). And then there was 'Storyteller', my favourite part of which was Andrew commenting on the palpable sexual tension between Spike and Robin Wood. LOL.

- (Although, seriously, is there any Spike/Wood fiction out there?! Dear God, that would be hot.)

- Back to where I was, 'Lies My Parents Told Me' was an all-round good ep. I really like the snippets about Nicky Wood (not least because we get to see punk!Spike), and I think it was really interesting to see that she chose the mission over her own son.
The reflection of that in Buffy was well-drawn too.

- You know what else is hot? Er, jumping back to my point about Spike/Wood...God, I shouldn't have drunk that whisky...Spike and Faith together!!!!!!!! When they're on his bunk having a smoke? Nice.

- And Caleb turns up! Oh, he's an awesomely fun baddie. I LOVE Nathan Fillion, and having him as a misogynist southern preacher? Just too much fun!!!

- This season is pretty good for balance - for the whole 'both sides of the story' thing. I mean, I can get why the potentials et al revolted against Buffy, but I can also see where she's coming from.

- I remember not like the Spike/Buffy cuddling scenes the first time I watched this. It's all a bit saccharine and eye-rolling for me. However, I get why Spike's saying it was the best night of his life. It's the first time he's had a soul and been close to a woman he cares about. So...I see where they're coming from. Still too much schmoop for me though! It's verging on Bangel-level nausea.

- That axe is so totally cool. Especially when it's cutting Caleb in half.

- I find the reintroduction of Angel interesting...I guess it was necessary in plot terms, although they could have found another way to get a magic fix-all amulet. Was he brought in at the end because he'd been so important in the past and loose ends needed to be tied up? Or was it actually a reminder to the viewer that Buffy/Angel is the big, epic slayer-vampire love story in this verse, thank you very much, and all you Spike lovers can just mosey on along...? I don't know. I don't think it's much of a secret that Joss didn't give Spike a lot of credit in general and kind of didn't WANT him to be the big hero. And having Buffy literally say to Angel that he was "too important" to wear the amulet that she gave to Spike? That's some pretty big sign-posting right there. Oh, I know, she was (supposedly) referring to the fact that he was the second front or whatever... But, you know, she never told Spike he might be getting cookies (despite the fact it's equally ridiculous to be thinking of having a long-term relationship with Angel, who will also be a vampire forever...)

- Still, an opportunity for Angel to get all petty 12-year-old about Spike stealing his soul-having thunder? And for Spike to fix a crude, poufy-haired drawing of Angel to a punch-bag? And, most importantly, for Buffy to have the marvellous idea of them wrassling in oil? WIN.

- I really liked Dawn refusing to be sent out of town. And Buffy accepting it. Dawn really grew throughout the series and I like the person she is at the end.

- Overall, I like the last episode. The battle scenes were interesting (if slightly improbable) and the casual way that they are before the fight? Refusing to say goodbye to each other? I'm a fan. Willow getting back in the game and 'activating' all the slayers is pretty kick-ass too. Anya dying as a human, fighting and finally understanding what it's all about...I like that too. The death itself was brutal (in a kind of cool way). But I think we all know that Spike steals the show.

- God, even THINKING about it, I'm sniffling again. This is ridiculous. And it's not the finger-linking and soulful look-sharing with Buffy. It's not him telling her to get out because the clean-up's for him. It's not even his trademark honesty regarding the fact that she doesn't love him. It's the fact that he burned up with that defiant smirk on his face. I just...I know I've said it before, but NO exit from any show has ever affected me like his. There were plenty of times I didn't like Spike, and plenty of times I found him contemptible and pathetic in some ways. But he made an impressive, incredibly hard journey, won his soul and he went out SMILING. I loved that.

- Nothing could really top Spike burning up like that - and, to give the show credit, it didn't try in some ways. Yes, Buffy ran along the rooftops and Sunnydale sank into the ground, but they somehow managed to make that seem almost...low-key. There was also this thing...I was watching, all teary, and when the ground stopped disappearing, the 'Sunnydale' sign sort of swayed a bit and then fell into the hole in this oddly comical way that surprised a little chuckle out of me. BtVS is kinda awesome like that.

- The rather quiet way it ends works well, with Buffy's obvious relief that she can share her burden now.

All in all, nothing but love, folks.

Wow, that wasn't at all brief, was it? Oh well, you must be used to it by now. I tell you what - I promise that if I decide to rewatch Angel, I won't do any stupid reaction posts. ;-)

Liliaethliliaeth on March 4th, 2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
hmm, Chosen is probably my least favorite season and series finale of all time. Mostly because I felt Joss was working too hard on getting his iconic moments.

Well that and the mall jokes at the end made me want to strangle and kill all the scoobies with the exception of Buffy. I don't think I've ever wanted to throw Willow, Xander and Giles down a crater more than in that moment.
ash_carpenterash_carpenter on March 5th, 2012 07:50 pm (UTC)
Well, each to their own! I can see what you mean about the iconic moments; I can even sort of understand why Joss would want to cash in as much with a show like BtVS ending...I don't know about the rest of the finale, but I do think that he actually nailed an iconic moment with Spike's death.

(Which was of course promptly ruined by bringing him back in AtS...) :P

HA HA HA! Did you spend lots of moments wanting to throw Willow, Giles and Xander down a crater...? ;-)
angelus2hot: Angel not fade awayangelus2hot on March 4th, 2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
Discounting the fact that I'm a het lovin' freak LOL, We agree on so many parts of this season.

Nathan Fillion as a bad guy, YUM!!!

Spike and Angel wrestling with oil? I thought my heart would stop. I was actually hoping there was a bottle of baby oil in Buffy's pocket. (Threesome anyone??.... See, I am a het lovin' freak)

And bite your tongue!!! Why would you want to deny I mean all of us the joy of your reaction posts? That's just well...cruel. Have you been taking lessons from Angelus? LOL

ash_carpenterash_carpenter on March 5th, 2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
Ew! Het-lover!!!! *wipes off all the bits of her journal that you touched*


See, I took it to mean that Buffy would let Spike and Angel play with the oil and watch them...Now, that I can get on board with.

LOL! Well, it's official - I've started rewatching Angel (about 10 seconds after posting this s7 reaction post!); however, I may not write up the reactions. I'm much more familiar with AtS so am unlikely to be constantly going "OMG!". Maybe.
angelus2hot: Andromeda Hercules blue eyesangelus2hot on March 5th, 2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
LOL!!!! Well, it's not like I don't enjoy slash. Give me a good Angelus/Riley, Angel/Lindsey, Angel/Spike, Angel/etc.... and I'm there :D

Nope, Was I Buffy and Angel and Spike were both oiled up and going at it, I'd have to...well I don't want to overshare too much. :D

I will sit here and patiently wait for your reaction post. *grabs drink and whistles innocently*

You call it a cult, I call it family.....: 00spikeskargasm on March 4th, 2012 09:52 pm (UTC)
You HAVE to watch Angel and comment, you just have to!!!!!

I loved Spike's exit too although I felt mauled by Buffy saying it then - it actually made me scream at the screen too little too late love!!!

I adore Nathan Dillon - just watched the first season of Castle and drooled constantly!!

Anyway, thank you so much for rewatching and posting - I've loved it!!
ash_carpenterash_carpenter on March 5th, 2012 07:53 pm (UTC)
Yeah, good point - maybe Buffy should have just not said it at all. Then again, man who loves you about to die saving the world...Probably a bit awkward to be like, "Well...cheers then!" :P

Thank you for reading!!!!!!!
Butterflysnogged on March 5th, 2012 12:49 am (UTC)
I love that bit with Spike and Xander giving each other shifty looks. Cracks me up every time.

I agree that "Conversations with Dead People" should have paired Willow up with someone more reflective of her relationship. That said, I adore the shit of Holden Webster.

Good point about the Slayer bloodline needing to go through Faith instead of Buffy.

Spike and Faith is pretty hot.

Finally, I demand more reaction posts.

ash_carpenterash_carpenter on March 5th, 2012 07:55 pm (UTC)
I did rather enjoy Holden Webster, although I was put off by the fact that I can only think of him as Knox from s5 of AtS...

Spaith is hot. To be fair, both of them on their own are hot.

No! Not more reaction posts! Don't even tempt me - I've already started rewatching Angel...
elebridith: Spike Smug Poutelebridith on March 5th, 2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
Spike/Robin Wood. I just giggled... I saw Lies my Parents Told Me yesterday and thought "oooh, I want that" and "I bet Ash does too" and there you go!
And I found one:
I wouldn't mind more... *nudges*
ash_carpenterash_carpenter on March 5th, 2012 07:56 pm (UTC)
OMG YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *clutches fic and glomps you*

Thank you!!! I can't wait to read it! :D

You know what you should do? Request Spike/Robin for a mod challenge... What? Everyone wins! Well, everyone who matters anyway... ;-)
elebridith: Spike/Lindsey Back off he's mine!-Lookelebridith on March 6th, 2012 11:46 am (UTC)
Good idea! Should I request it from you, or what do you think who can also pull it off?
ash_carpenterash_carpenter on March 6th, 2012 07:58 pm (UTC)
I'm quite sure everyone could pull it off! You request it from whoever you like, darling - or whoever has space once you get to the post!

(How could anyone not love that pretty combo...?)
boggiecatboggiecat on March 5th, 2012 03:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah, hey, hey - I so enjoyed your rewatch posts, it was like reliving the eps alongside you.
Many thanks for taking the time to post and to share the love that is BtVS.

(oh and bollocks and poof! - drove me mad too!)

ash_carpenterash_carpenter on March 5th, 2012 07:57 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much! I'm glad that you could relate :D

Ugh, "poof"...It's not a bloody magic trick!!!! :P
Dragon's Phoenix: eyesdragonyphoenix on March 6th, 2012 04:51 pm (UTC)
Oh come on, you could watch AtS or review Season 8. Believe you me, there are lots of things to mock in Season 8.

I love that look between Spike and Xander in 'Beneath'! It's one of the few things I remember from s7, which I've only seen once.

I'd always wondered why we didn't see another Slayer after Buffy had died a second time, because it could have gone either way. Since she still has her Slayer powers, it could have been two lines of Slayers from then on.

Spike got his chip removed? Whoo hoo! I did say I'd only seen this season once, and that was ages ago, right? Not that it excuses Wood and Giles conspiring to kill him. Oh, now that I remember. The garage full of crosses, right? I just didn't recall Spike being chipless at the time.

I promise that if I decide to rewatch Angel, I won't do any stupid reaction posts. ;-) Aw, I like these posts. ;-(
ash_carpenterash_carpenter on March 6th, 2012 07:55 pm (UTC)
Mock? Me?! My reviews are very serious and balanced, thank you.

(Lol, even I can't keep a straight face...)

Spike's chip was deteriorating - it kept firing at random and leaving him in extreme pain. Buffy left a message for Riley but thought she hadn't got through, so she and Spike went back to the Initiative to search for drugs that would suppress Spike's pain. But Riley had been in touch with the army and they turned up, saying that it was Buffy's decision whether to fix or remove "assface's" chip (LOL, Riley!) She chose to have it removed.

Wow, long-winded explanation much...? :P
Dragon's Phoenix: eyesdragonyphoenix on March 6th, 2012 10:16 pm (UTC)
Very useful explanation since, now that you mention it, I do recall some of that.